baker the most skillful treasury secretary took him two years with people like bill bradley and dan ross ten you couldski, that takes a long time. but they can at least adopt those numbers right now. and i really think they were close. and they may be close again. but right now it's just a turnoff. >> rose: this country has been going through enormous mourning for what happened to 20 young people in flutown, connecticut. has it changed anything here? specifically i want to get to the gundebate but generalla sense of, look, we've got to pull together on some things here. we've got to get beyond our dysfunction. >> i think people feel differently about this one than most of the other terrible tragedies we've seen. with the little children, the awfulness of it. whether that endures. whether that really means there will be action on-- i'm not sure, charlie. but i do think there is more of a shock. there is more of a sense. and youalk to rublins and democrats. and i think that one thing that i think the president did skillfully was putting joe biden in charge of doing something about this. be